Senate Bill Allows Indefinite Imprisonment of Americans Without Trial…


If you thought the Patriot Act was bad, how about indefinite detention without a trial?

Tuesday, November 29, 2011
Senate Bill Allows Indefinite Imprisonment of Americans without Trial
Sen. John McCain and Sen. Carl Levin
Bipartisan legislation being considered in the U.S. Senate would expand the military’s power to go after any terrorism suspect, including American citizens, anywhere in the world—including within the United States—and confine them indefinitely without being charged or tried.

S. 1867, referred to as the National Defense Authorization Act bill, was drafted in secret by Senators Carl Levin (D-Michigan) and John McCain (R-Arizona) and was scheduled for a vote by the full Senate on Tuesday.

Voices on both the right and left have expressed concerns about the bill, including the American Civil Liberties Union and Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul.

Senator Mark Udall (D-Colorado) has introduced an amendment to S. 1867 that would “delete the harmful provisions and replace them with a requirement for an orderly Congressional review of detention power,” according to the ACLU. “The Udall Amendment will make sure that the bill matches up with American values.”

The provision has also drawn the ire of high-ranking officials in the executive branch who see it as a usurpation of power by the military. FBI Director Robert Mueller wrote a letter to members of Congress raising his own concerns and stating that “The legislation … will inhibit our ability to convince covered arrestees to cooperate immediately, and provide critical intelligence.” President Barack Obama has threatened to veto the bill.

Levin and McCain have defended their measure by saying that it includes a waiver that allows U.S. administrations to “hold these al Qaeda detainees in civilian custody if it determines that would best serve national security.”
-Noel Brinkerhoff, David Wallechinsky


4 thoughts on “Senate Bill Allows Indefinite Imprisonment of Americans Without Trial

  1. Levin was a member of the 9/11 Joint Inquiry

    I don’t know why his credibility isn’t up for review. The Joint Inquiry was the first 9/11 cover up. Government officials like Levin were directly involved in covering up the truth about CIA obstruction in regard to active FBI al Qaeda investigations. At the time Tenet lied under oath about CIA conduct in regard to al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar. The public record strongly supports the notion that some powerful officials in the US government protected these al Qaeda operatives before 9/11.

  2. Let’s stop beating around the bush and call a spade a spade: we are talking about a junta here. I think that the most important thing about having a dialog is to clarify the terms up front. Have you noticed people calling Obama a communist or a socialist? That accusation is wrong. We have a fascist system and Obama is a cog in the system so he is not a socialist. In a socialist or communist system the state is the corporation and owns the means of production. In a fascist system the corporations are privately held, outside of state control, which in turn gives them the power to regulate the state. This is an important distinction. Now, in WWII between Hitler and Stalin the distinction was quite clear, however, they each borrowed aspects from their polar opposite which muddied the waters a little and this has led to confusion among some people; an example of this is found among the Nazi’s with their National Socialism (NSDAP). There were left wing elements within the formation of the Nazi Party, after all, it was the National Socialist German Workers Party, its formal name. When the Nazi Party coalesced into a national front only lip service was payed to the socialist aspects of the party. One reason for this is: what could be better for the workers than full employment? The other reason that the socialist elements were downplayed was nationalism. The N is NSDAP stood as much for nationalism as national. But despite any rhetoric to the contrary, the Nazis were fascists. They were controlled and funded from outside the government by enormous cartels, the aristocracy (Germany has two classes of aristocrats), the acquiescence of the churches, and the cooperation of the military. Now, in Stalinist Russia the state is the corporation. Businesses are nationalized, farms collectivized, citizens are platooned all for the benefit of the state. Where many become confused is that the next step in either system is authoritarianism and both systems cited above were leaning heavily towards that end, although not completely. So which one sounds relevant to us? Is Goldman Sachs a nationalized corporation like Amtrak? No, the banks and the corporations are all outside of the goverment manipulating the levers of the state.

    So why quibble about semantics? Here is why: if you screw up in this country, for whatever reason, and go to jail; the chances are that you will wind up in a corporate prison. In CORRECTIONAL SEVICES CORP. v MALESKO The Supreme Court of the United States has ruled that a convict had no standing to sue in Federal Court for damages. So, in other words you are remanded to Federal Government with no Federal remedy. The Justices decided that remedy could be available within the State that the prisoner was incarcerated. What has happened here is that the government has “disappeared” you as much as someone who is put into the “Shoe.” The court remanded this prisoner to the Federal Prison who in turn “remanded” him to a corporate entity. That is fascism at work. The Malesko case, cited above, and the detention of prisoners in torturous solitary confinement like the shoe is already with us. Now they want to ratchet it up a notch and get the military involved. Why, because they have such a good track record in prisoner management? Just look at Bradley Manning, Gitmo, and whatever other black cites that they have. It is important to understand exactly what systems we are dealing with now and where we are heading in the future.

    None of this is new however. For a good look at the Government’s willingness to disappear a citizen I highly recommend the award winning movie “Missing” which stars Jack Lemmon and Sissy Spacek. The film was directed by Costa-Gravas a genius in the creation of political films. It tells the story of the disappearance of Charles Horman by the military junta in Chile during the fall of the Allende regime. Watch carefully for some startling symbolism but don’t let my “film buff” reverence for this film put you off; this is accessible to everyone and highly entertaining. Another good source about the State disappearances is the book “Prisoner Without a Name, Cell Without a Number,” by Jocobo Timmerman. This book tells the story of the “desaparacidos” in Argentina and is quite fascinating on many levels.

    In English, we borrow many words from foreign languages: detente, coup d’etat, apparatchik,guillotine and now it is time to embrace one more: “Junta” because that is where we are heading. Another one to drop, at least to raise some eyebrows would be “desaparacido” it is succinct and its fluid sound will not be lost on any ears.

  3. Vote Counts: YEAs 93
    NAYs 7

    Vote Summary By Senator Name By Vote Position By Home State

    Alphabetical by Senator Name
    Akaka (D-HI), Yea
    Alexander (R-TN), Yea
    Ayotte (R-NH), Yea
    Barrasso (R-WY), Yea
    Baucus (D-MT), Yea
    Begich (D-AK), Yea
    Bennet (D-CO), Yea
    Bingaman (D-NM), Yea
    Blumenthal (D-CT), Yea
    Blunt (R-MO), Yea
    Boozman (R-AR), Yea
    Boxer (D-CA), Yea
    Brown (D-OH), Yea
    Brown (R-MA), Yea
    Burr (R-NC), Yea
    Cantwell (D-WA), Yea
    Cardin (D-MD), Yea
    Carper (D-DE), Yea
    Casey (D-PA), Yea
    Chambliss (R-GA), Yea
    Coats (R-IN), Yea
    Coburn (R-OK), Nay
    Cochran (R-MS), Yea
    Collins (R-ME), Yea
    Conrad (D-ND), Yea
    Coons (D-DE), Yea
    Corker (R-TN), Yea
    Cornyn (R-TX), Yea
    Crapo (R-ID), Yea
    DeMint (R-SC), Yea
    Durbin (D-IL), Yea
    Enzi (R-WY), Yea
    Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
    Franken (D-MN), Yea
    Gillibrand (D-NY), Yea
    Graham (R-SC), Yea
    Grassley (R-IA), Yea
    Hagan (D-NC), Yea
    Harkin (D-IA), Nay
    Hatch (R-UT), Yea
    Heller (R-NV), Yea
    Hoeven (R-ND), Yea
    Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
    Inhofe (R-OK), Yea
    Inouye (D-HI), Yea
    Isakson (R-GA), Yea
    Johanns (R-NE), Yea
    Johnson (D-SD), Yea
    Johnson (R-WI), Yea
    Kerry (D-MA), Yea
    Kirk (R-IL), Yea
    Klobuchar (D-MN), Yea
    Kohl (D-WI), Yea
    Kyl (R-AZ), Yea
    Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
    Lautenberg (D-NJ), Yea
    Leahy (D-VT), Yea
    Lee (R-UT), Nay
    Levin (D-MI), Yea
    Lieberman (ID-CT), Yea
    Lugar (R-IN), Yea
    Manchin (D-WV), Yea
    McCain (R-AZ), Yea
    McCaskill (D-MO), Yea
    McConnell (R-KY), Yea
    Menendez (D-NJ), Yea
    Merkley (D-OR), Nay
    Mikulski (D-MD), Yea
    Moran (R-KS), Yea
    Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
    Murray (D-WA), Yea
    Nelson (D-FL), Yea
    Nelson (D-NE), Yea
    Paul (R-KY), Nay
    Portman (R-OH), Yea
    Pryor (D-AR), Yea
    Reed (D-RI), Yea
    Reid (D-NV), Yea
    Risch (R-ID), Yea
    Roberts (R-KS), Yea
    Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
    Rubio (R-FL), Yea
    Sanders (I-VT), Nay
    Schumer (D-NY), Yea
    Sessions (R-AL), Yea
    Shaheen (D-NH), Yea
    Shelby (R-AL), Yea
    Snowe (R-ME), Yea
    Stabenow (D-MI), Yea
    Tester (D-MT), Yea
    Thune (R-SD), Yea
    Toomey (R-PA), Yea
    Udall (D-CO), Yea
    Udall (D-NM), Yea
    Vitter (R-LA), Yea
    Warner (D-VA), Yea
    Webb (D-VA), Yea
    Whitehouse (D-RI), Yea
    Wicker (R-MS), Yea
    Wyden (D-OR), Nay

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